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russian wrote:where to get an SD module compatible with 'ST-TF-003A'.
So I was really going to give up on this module and I have started looking for some easy-to-solder replacement, only to realize that this module has other names - http://www.dipmicro.com/store/CON-MICROSD1 sells it as tfwf1-ebxx-1x0x and eBay sells it as TransFlash TF Micro SD Socket

Still a nice global part number would be nice.
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Re: Communication module - FT232RL

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We made some progress:
1) all footprints were right
2) SD card works (but it is a little bit unrealizable, not sure if the issue is with the card or the fact that I do not have a 4.7nF capacitor)
3) an issue: we've got the USB pinout upside down
4) another issue: even with the hacked USB wiring, the chip is recognized as 'Unknown device'. I have no idea if that's a result of the lame wiring or if I need to initialize the FT232 chip with some default firmware to get it recognized by Windows or if that's an issue with my Windows instance
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Re: Communication module - FT232RL

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PS: the green wire on the picture is soldered to the signal side of C353 on the schematic.

Guys, can you please research this? Do I need to initialize the FT232 chip? If not, why does it not ask for a driver? Is it because of the lame wiring on the previous picture?
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abecedarian wrote:FT232 requires a driver install.
http://www.ftdichip.com/Support/Documents/InstallGuides.htm
Sure thing it needs a driver. My problem is that Windows does not recognize it as 'TTL232R' - it recognizes it as 'Unknown device' and it does not want any drivers! Now my question is why would windows have any USB layer issues with this chip - could it be the wiring, could it be what?
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Re: Communication module - FT232RL

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I think "reset" pin 19 is buggered, See reference found here http://puma.freeems.org/docs/Puma_spin1_schematic.pdf on page 15. I know that circuit worked, and there aren't many differeences. The cable and the 47pF are differences, but I don't expect them to be that significant.
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kb1gtt wrote:I think "reset" pin 19 is buggered
Active low reset pin. This can be used by an external device to reset the FT232R. If not required can be left unconnected, or pulled up to VCC
from here

So I guess you are suggesting connecting it to GND? But the datasheet has promised that we can leave it unconnected?
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I've got the module working!

Reset pin was not the problem - wiring was the problem. It was not simply flipped, it was totally messed up - so, I've swapped the data wires one more time and this got the module up&running! Oh, and the RX/TX pinout on the connector was wrong, too. So, while rev 0.2 is workable, I would not call our biggest success so far :)
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SD + TTL v 0.3
Ordered on March 5th 2014.
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Re: Communication module - FT232RL

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Hi rusEFI,
Could you please explain to me, How to jump or wiring for FT232RL .
I got some problem like this. :roll:

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Current version of the module is know to work right away. Frankenstein communication module is same as this small PCB and again, it is expected to work as is.
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didn't get if c358 is ceramic or electrolytic (dejavu?)
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/CC0805ZRY5V6BB475/311-1371-1-ND/2103155
but on schematics it has polarity...
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Re: Communication module - FT232RL

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I use ceramic c358 - do they even have electrolytic in this package?

I agree that that's confusing. Same story with c354
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