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rusefi.com The most advanced open source ECU 2023-09-24T16:10:55 https://rusefi.com/forum/app.php/feed/topic/2571 2023-09-24T16:10:55 2023-09-24T16:10:55 https://rusefi.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2571&p=48384#p48384 <![CDATA[Re: VW Type 1 "Single port" injection]]>
4 INJ in ecu configuration ..
but 2 in real life ...

Outputs 1+2 is for 1st injector
Outputs 3+4 is for 2nd injector

Statistics: Posted by JRD McLAREN — Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:10 pm


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2023-09-24T15:59:24 2023-09-24T15:59:24 https://rusefi.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2571&p=48383#p48383 <![CDATA[Re: VW Type 1 "Single port" injection]]> We added camshaft sensor some days later after initial startup, and the deal is done.

The only thing missing now is to have siamese port support in software so that we can run the two injectors on one output each in the correct sequence instead of tricking the ecu into thinking it's running four injectors through four outputs. That would also fix the actual injector duty cycle% value.

But for now, it works...

Statistics: Posted by tmbryhn — Sun Sep 24, 2023 3:59 pm


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2023-09-23T08:02:11 2023-09-23T08:02:11 https://rusefi.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2571&p=48374#p48374 <![CDATA[Re: VW Type 1 "Single port" injection]]> https://rusefi.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=46411#p46411

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Statistics: Posted by JRD McLAREN — Sat Sep 23, 2023 8:02 am


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2023-08-01T08:23:58 2023-08-01T08:23:58 https://rusefi.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2571&p=48140#p48140 <![CDATA[Re: VW Type 1 "Single port" injection]]>
We proceeded by wiring four injector outputs to the two injectors in such a manner that we got the ABBA pattern running fully sequential fuel delivery as described in last post, and it did the trick. However, because we're not running a camshaft sensor (yet), we're only hitting the correct injection phase about 50% out of the times we're starting up the engine/resets the ECU. When we miss by 360 crankshaft degrees, the engine runs like shit :lol:

Statistics: Posted by tmbryhn — Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:23 am


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2023-07-23T21:09:45 2023-07-23T21:09:45 https://rusefi.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2571&p=48110#p48110 <![CDATA[Re: VW Type 1 "Single port" injection]]>
Because it's a "Siamese port" configuration (each cylinder bank consists of two cylinders and share one port+injector), and due to the fact that the paired cylinders on each bank fire right after one another throughout the cycle, there'll be a mismatch of available fuel locally in the intake manifold runner between the two paired cylinders regardless if you inject four evenly spaced pulses simultaneously (AAAA) throughout the engine cycle, or if you spread four injections across the two injectors in an alternating fashion (ABAB - batch).
This is because the leading cylinder out of the two cylinders in each bank will "swallow" all available fuel in the intake port during its intake stroke, and there'll be only one single injection event (1/4 of the needed fuel) before the trailing cylinder in the bank is ready to be filled (in simultaneous mode).

I think one possible way to work around this problem with the current firmware, would be to run fully sequential with a cam sensor, and connect each of the two injectors to two separate injector driver channels in a way so that the typical ABCD-sequence could be translated into an ABBA from the injectors point of view. That way, both cylinders in each bank should be getting the correct amount of fuel, and the actual flow rate of the injector should be used. However, the effective duty% of the injectors will be twice as high as the duty% reported by the ECU whenever the ECU assumes one injector per cylinder.

I think this will be the solution for now until a specific "Siamese port" feature might be added at some later point.
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Statistics: Posted by tmbryhn — Sun Jul 23, 2023 9:09 pm


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2023-06-22T20:17:50 2023-06-22T20:17:50 https://rusefi.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2571&p=47902#p47902 <![CDATA[Re: VW Type 1 "Single port" injection]]> Statistics: Posted by mck1117 — Thu Jun 22, 2023 8:17 pm


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2023-06-22T19:37:35 2023-06-22T19:37:35 https://rusefi.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2571&p=47901#p47901 <![CDATA[VW Type 1 "Single port" injection]]> Singleport = one intake port shared by two cylinders on each side.

Hence, I'm going to run one injector feeding two cylinders.

This seem to fall somewhere between "Single point" and "Sequential"/"Batch" injector mode, and there's AFAIK no way to define that one injector will feed two cylinders with respect to correct fuel calculation and injector pulse sequence.

The firing order is 1-4-3-2, where 4+3 = LH cylinder bank ("Injector B"), and 2+1 = RH cylinder bank ("Injector A").

Ideally, the injection pulses should be ABBA throughout one complete cycle starting on cyl#1.
Can this be implemented in software?

Since I'm developing a kit for a certain market, there would probably be multiple engines running this configuration going forward.
I'm willing to have this as a "bounty job" for whoever is interested in coding this feature.

Statistics: Posted by tmbryhn — Thu Jun 22, 2023 7:37 pm


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