What to do about bad drama?

[kb1gtt]

Hello russian, I have talked to you about F=MA and PV=nRT to you which you then used to make code. I want you to stop using my ideas by deleting the use of PV=nRT from your code, delete my posts in the forum, once these things are digitally removed, I want you to commit suicide to make sure my public domain data has been deleted. Until you meet my requests I will be posting in other forums claiming you are plagiarizing my work, and I'll be making claims that your members are very disgruntle and blowing up expensive engines. AKA I'll be providing bad press and encouraging people to steer clear of your project.

I'm not really disgruntle, and I'm not that kind of crazy. However that is my slightly exaggerated version of a recent issue. When I say slightly, I mean I don't think the fellow requested the suicide thing, but would probably request it, if he though of the idea. As far as I can tell, the fellow is attempting to make a competing product. Also as far as I can tell, he has had a motive from the early onset of his involvement here to try to trash this project and bring it down, as I believe he sees us as a competing product. His product is closed source, and I understand it doesn't exist at this point in time, so I don't see it as competing. Any how it's a drama, and these drama's can effect this project in a variety of ways. So I would like to bring up the issue and see what feedback we get from the members about how we should address bad drama. We want to have people working in a positive and productive environment. There will be conflict and when the conflict turns into bad drama, I think we should have a place for it to fizzle and die.

I'm tempted to suggest we have a complaints section of the forums. Basically it would be an invite only part of the forum where a member that gets into bad drama can post a complaint. I think this would be a good idea as it allows people a place for this kind of drama. I know when I research things I tend to look for negative reviews of the item I'm researching. Based on the negative feedback, I decide if the comments are bunk or if there is really a problem that would concern me.

I'm not interested in dealing with such drama, but it will happen as we all have different motivations, different goals and we are all a different kind of crazy. When it does happen we should address it and if need be, let it fizzle and die AKA preventing the member from posting. I've been banned in three other forums as a result of not having this kind of issue resolved in an appropriate manner. The issue for me was that I had a conflict in principles with the leadership of the forums and project so they banned me. Because of this I of course think it should be addressed. This kind of thing sucks, and I feel we should have a place where most people can ignore the drama, but will allow for such drama to get resolved or at least documented before a banning has happened.

So I wonder, what would people suggest for dealing with bad drama? I personally like the concept of ignoring drama as I prefer to develop value add items, but I also know failure to address bad drama can drain a projects leadership. Should we simply ignore it?

Any how please post suggestions on how to deal with it here. If nothing else this will perhaps offer some insight or it might provide some paths that haven't been considered. I know that things that don't interested me often don't get resolved as cleanly as the items that do interest me. Suggestions might produce some options would not have thought about.

[AndreyB]

I guess drama is just a part of it. At 206 members, I am aware of two people who are on a crusade to spread bad press. I guess while the numbers stays at around 1% we are fine.

As for @ - it has been a day since I've asked him to specify where the issue is EXACTLY, let's see if the question would stay unanswered that would be an answer by itself see http://open5xxxecu.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=72. @ is moderating the forum there so he is steering the emotions towards facts and I agree that's the way to resolve issues like this one.

[AndreyB]

I've decided to split three pieces of drama into three separate threads. The VR circuitry around the MAX chip goes into a separate thread

[rus084]

At 206 members, I am aware of two people who are on a crusade to spread bad press. I guess while the numbers stays at around 1% we are fine.

Who is theese peoples ?
First from Ukraine with heavy motorcycle?

[abecedarian]

http://open5xxxecu.org/viewtopic.php?p=931#p931

Okay... it's been a week since the accusations were levied and there's been no substantiation of the accusations presented.

I am going to lock this thread, with the following comments in closing:

These accusations / allegations should have been raised and addressed in the appropriate forum, not here.

The accusations should have been accompanied with information directly supporting the claims mad.

As far as I can tell, RUSEFI has not done anything anyone else would not have done with regards to 'copying' something. The code may borrow some stylistic impression from others, variable may be named similarly, and algorithms may have been adapted from other systems who have made their code available on the Internet.

And to be fair, I'm sure very little of what B&G has done, and provided to the community is actually built on unique ideas, and is, rather, the culmination of many man-hours scouring the Internet for whatever snippet they can find and the aggregation of code and ideas accumulated from when they were "open-source"... not to mention the concepts and such they've gleaned from MSExtra users.

It's worth noting B&G seems to be fairly adept at generating products. It's also similarly worth noting that the arguable majority of users of their hardware resort to MSExtra code in favor over the canned code.

RUSEFI has a comparatively small user base at the moment, but has many more people interested in it. This leaves Andrey (spelling?) in the odd position of being the sole code-base maintainer, but he does do his best to help the users with issues, whilst also evolving the code.

Jared, similarly, has contributed significantly to the hardware aspect of the project. And although I may take issue with some of the design choices made, I'm not in a position to dictate which direction things go, and even then, he does get things working.


I'd also like to commend Andrey (one day I'll spell it right, no? ) for forward thinking in his consideration of using the ARM M4 code he's developed for the STM board he's using, with a more appropriate processor for automotive use. The TMS570 line is at the forefront of alternate architectures challenging FreeScale, and TI also provides methodologies to achieving full compliance with standards... something I haven't seen FreeScale providing unless they design it themselves.

But I digress, yet again.

In summary, it's my opinion that the allegations against RUSEFI are false, if for no other reason than justification for the allegations have not been presented here, where the allegations were made public. Everyone has their opinions regarding things, so I do encourage everyone to voice those opinions whenever, wherever the opportunity presents itself. Preferably, that should occur within the forum most relevant to the allegations.

Good day, and I love you all... but not in that way.
We may not always see eye-to-eye, but we can always have discussions about our differences. And that concept lies at the core of open source software and hardware.

[kb1gtt]

I think we just need to figure out how to follow in the foot steps of Live via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selling_the_Drama Then we would have a budget to do it right I also take issue with my designs, but I draw a line at getting done instead of doing it perfectly.

[abecedarian]

I think we just need to figure out how to follow in the foot steps of Live via http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selling_the_Drama Then we would have a budget to do it right I also take issue with my designs, but I draw a line at getting done instead of doing it perfectly.

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[AndreyB]

I'd also like to commend Andrey (one day I'll spell it right, no? )...

Yes. See https://svn.code.sf.net/p/rusefi/code/trunk/firmware/rusefi.cpp

[abecedarian]

I'd also like to commend Andrey (one day I'll spell it right, no? )...

Yes. See https://svn.code.sf.net/p/rusefi/code/trunk/firmware/rusefi.cpp

So, apparently, I've spelt it correctly.

Now, more gasoline and H202... need a fireworks show.

[AndreyB]

I would use this old post to have all drama together I guess - I was called a thief again!

http://forum.diyefi.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2184&start=70

[kb1gtt]

What a pain. Sorry to hear your pulled into such drama.

I've seen Fred have a major lack of understanding of GPL, so it wouldn't surprise me if he's just blowing smoke. He commonly does that. That combined with his attraction to drama, are the core reasons why many developers have parted ways with him. He's simply not focused on value add results.

Personally I wonder what he thinks the "consequences of your actions" are.

[AndreyB]

As promised my attempt to get some details was removed from http://forum.diyefi.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2184&start=70

[puff]

Well, it reminds me of Southpark, the whole season about trolles. Why haven't you come to an agreement politely, adhering to proper manners, using PM? But anyway, if someone gets insane, personally, I am not a doctor and I'm not keen on trying to cure the mental well-being of that person.

[AndreyB]

Why haven't you come to an agreement politely, adhering to proper manners, using PM?

I guess we are on really different pages regarding how humans work.

On the one hand I do not have time for PM drama, on the other hand I really want transparancy about theft or any similar acquisations. I believe you should not discuss theft via PM unless you have something to share publicly.

[RustyGargoyle]

This is garbage.
Why are you even paying attention to this guy, seems like a preteen with too much time on his hands.


Just send him one of these and appologize

https://dicksbymail.com/

[kb1gtt]

FredEMS is that way. Plagued with drama and Fred chases away developers. Unfortunately it's an environment that doesn't play nice with constructive criticism and sane development. It's really a shame, as he could offer some good coding advice. It would be nice if we could all work and play nice, but that seems to to be a hard item to obtain.