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Re: 2006 VW SANTANA B2 1.8

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A new small question. In https://github.com/rusefi/hellen-one/blob/master/modules/power12/0.2/power12-schematic.pdf, what does the "VIGN" of V3 pin mean? What word is it abbreviated? I tried to use translation software, but I didn't get the results I wanted.
Voltage IGNintion. +12 that is applied to ECU when key is in ignition (and starter) position.
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Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:46 pm
A new small question. In https://github.com/rusefi/hellen-one/blob/master/modules/power12/0.2/power12-schematic.pdf, what does the "VIGN" of V3 pin mean? What word is it abbreviated? I tried to use translation software, but I didn't get the results I wanted.
Voltage IGNintion. +12 that is applied to ECU when key is in ignition (and starter) position.
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Re: 2006 VW SANTANA B2 1.8

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Yes, they all use the hellen one module. But if I don't understand the principle of the hellen one module and the meaning of the pins clearly, even if I look at other boards that use the hellen one framework, I can't understand its meaning correctly.
In fact, most of the problems are that the translation software cannot translate the meaning of words correctly, such as translating "RAW" into "Undercooked", so most of my next questions are to ask the meaning of words. :)
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Re: 2006 VW SANTANA B2 1.8

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Would it help to cross-reference https://github.com/rusefi/hellen154hyundai https://github.com/rusefi/hellen121vag https://github.com/rusefi/hellen88bmw against wiring diagrams for corresponding vehicles? Actually some of diagrams are even available on the rusEFI wiki or linked to the boards.
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Re: 2006 VW SANTANA B2 1.8

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I have determined the definition of some pins through screening. The wiki of hellen121vag shows that Passat B5 1.8T is absolutely available. This sentence may not apply to the improved Passat B5 manufactured in China. I found the circuit diagram of Passat B5 1.8T manufactured in China. Through comparison, I found that it is still somewhat different from hellen121vag, which makes me unable to correctly understand some pin definitions of hellen121vag, I will list all the pin meanings of Passat B5 1.8T (made in China) in detail below,And compare it with hellen 121vag.

1 GND grounding 49/3
2 GND grounding 49/3
3 Connect ignition switch and IN at the same time_ VIGN、+12_ RAW and 121 pin (jumper F1 and jumper R9) 49/13
5 Front oxygen sensor heater LSU_ HEAT-49/10
7 This pin OUT is not available in the circuit diagram_ IGN2
8 The pin OUT is not available in the circuit diagram_ IGN7
9 Secondary air inlet valve P9 49/11
10 This pin P10 is not available in the circuit diagram
11 This pin P11 is not available in the circuit diagram
12 This pin P12 is not available in the circuit diagram
13 This pin P13 is not available in the circuit diagram
14 The pin P14 IN is not available in the circuit diagram_ AFR
17 This pin P17 is not available in the circuit diagram
18 Brake booster pressure sensor OUT_ VVT2_ B1 49/14 (not matched)
19 The circuit diagram does not have this pin OUT_ INJ7
20 The pin P20 is not available in the circuit diagram
21 Main relay control (jumper R8 and jumper R2) IN_ VIN 49/3 (not determined)
22 Brake booster relay OUT_ VVT1_ 1 49/14
23 The pin (jumper R3) OUT is not available in the circuit diagram_ MAIN_ RELAY
24 This pin OUT is not available in the circuit diagram_ INJ8
26 The pin IN is not available in the circuit diagram_ IAT
27 Air quality meter grounding MAF GNDA 49/10
28 This pin P28 is not available in the circuit diagram
29 Air quality meter signal input IN_ MAF 49/10
32 Internal GND grounding, external connected to suspected coil? 49/11
33 Accelerator Pedal Position Sensor 2 GNDA 49/5
34Accelerator pedal position sensor 2 IN_ PPS1 signal input 49/5
35Accelerator Pedal Position Sensor 1 IN_ PPS2 signal input 49/5
36 Accelerator Pedal Position Sensor 1 GNDA 49/5
37 The circuit diagram does not have this pin OUT_ TACH
38 Cruise control IN_ RES1 49/12 (not matched)
39Clutch pedal switch IN_ RES2 49/13 (out of alignment)
40 circuit diagram does not have this pin P40
41 The pin P41 is not available in the circuit diagram
43 Unknown P43 49/15
44 This pin P44 is not available in the circuit diagram
45 The pin P45 is not available in the circuit diagram
46 This pin P46 is not available in the circuit diagram
47 The circuit diagram does not have this pin OUT_ CHECK_ ENGINE
48 The pin P48 is not available in the circuit diagram
49 This pin P49 is not available in the circuit diagram
50 circuit diagram does not have this pin GNDA
51 Front oxygen sensor LSU_ SENSOR_ U/PUMP_ I 49/10
52 Front oxygen sensor LSU_ PUMP_ I 49/10
53 Air quality meter+5VA MAF 49/10
54 Vehicle speed signal IN_ VSS 49/7 (not determined)
55 Brake light IN_ D1 49/11 (not matched)
56Connect brake light and brake light switch P56 49/13 (not aligned)
57 Cruise control IN_ D2 49/12 (not matched)
58 CAN- 49/4
59 The pin GND is not available in the circuit diagram
60 CAN+ 49/5
61 This pin P61 is not available in the circuit diagram
62 12V Changdian Line 30 V12_ PERM 49/3 (not determined)
63 Rear oxygen sensor P63 49/11
64 Activated carbon canister solenoid valve P64 49/11
65 Fuel pump relay UT_ FUEL_ PUMP_ RELAY 49/15
66 Secondary air pump relay P66 49/11
67 This pin P67 is not available in the circuit diagram
68 Rear oxygen sensor P68 49/11
69 Rear oxygen sensor P69 49/11
70 Front oxygen sensor LSU_ SENSOR_ U 49/10
71 Front oxygen sensor LSU_ CALIBR_ RES 49/10
72 Accelerator pedal position sensor 2+5VA 49/5
73 Accelerator pedal position sensor 1+5VA 49/5
74 This pin P74 is not available in the circuit diagram
75 Cruise control IN_ D3 49/12 (not matched)
76 Cruise control IN_ D4 49/12 (not matched)
80 circuit diagram does not have this pin P80
81 circuit diagram does not have this pin OUT_ FUEL_ CONSUM
82 Positive pole of crankshaft position sensor IN_ CRANK+ 49/7
83 Throttle angle sensor+5VA 49/6
84 Throttle angle sensor 2 IN_ TPS2 49/6
85 Intake air temperature sensor IN_ IAT 49/6
86Camshaft position sensor IN_ CAM1 49/4 (out of alignment)
87 circuit diagram does not have this pin IN_ CAM2 (out of alignment)
88 cylinder-4 fuel injection nozzle OUT_ INJ4 49/8
89 Cylinder 2 fuel injection nozzle OUT_ INJ2 49/8
90 Crankshaft position sensor negative CRANK - 49/7
91 Throttle angle sensor GNDA 49/6
92 Throttle angle sensor 1 IN_ TPS1 49/6
93Engine temperature sensor IN_ CLT 49/4
94 Cylinder 4 ignition signal OUT_ IGN4 49/9
95 cylinder 2 ignition signal OUT_ IGN8 49/9 (not matched)
96 cylinder 1 fuel injection nozzle OUT_ INJ1 49/8
97 Cylinder 3 fuel injection nozzle OUT_ INJ3 49/8
98 Camshaft and boost pressure sensor+5VA 49/4
99 GNDA Knock Sensor Common Ground 49/7
101 Boost pressure sensor IN_ MAP2 49/5 (not matched)
102 Cylinder 1 ignition signal OUT_ IGN1 49/9
103 cylinder 3 ignition signal OUT_ IGN5 49/9 (incorrect)
104 Boost pressure limit solenoid valve OUT_ WASTEGATE 49/6 (not determined)
105 Charge air recirculation valve OUT_ IDLE 49/6 (not determined)
106 Knock sensor 1 signal input IN_ KNOCK1_ RAW 49/7
107 Knock sensor 2 × TODO:knock 2 49/7
108 GNDA Sensor Common Ground 49/4
110 circuit diagram does not have this pin OUT_ IGN6
111 circuit diagram does not have this pin OUT_ IGN3
112 No such pin OUT in the circuit diagram_ INJ6
113 The circuit diagram does not have this pin OUT_ INJ5
115 Camshaft regulating valve OUT_ VVT1_ 2 49/3
117 Throttle positioning motor++ETB_ OUT 49/6
118 Throttle positioning motor - ETB_ OUT 49/6
120 circuit diagram does not have this pin OUT_ VVT2_ B2
121 internal (jumper F2) connection+12V_ RAW, external see 49/9

I'm not sure whether I understand the following words correctly. If there are any mistakes, please point them out. Thank you very much!
MAF Intake pressure sensor, sensor for detecting intake air volume
PPS Pedal position sensor
TACH Tachometer
OUT_CHECK_ENGINE Yellow engine fault lamp signal output in automobile instrument
LSU_SENSOR_U/PUMP_I I only know it is a Bosch wide range oxygen sensor, but I don't know what the U and I behind mean?
LSU_PUMP_I Same as above
LSU_SENSOR_U Same as above
LSU_CALIBR_RES Same as above
OUT_FUEL_CONSUM The translation result is the total amount of fuel, but I checked the circuit diagram. The fuel pump sensor is not connected to the ECU, but to the automobile instrument. Does that mean the engine Engine lubricating oil?
TPS Throttle angle sensor
OUT_WASTEGATE EGR valve
ETB Electronic throttle motor

The following words cannot be understood even by translation software
IAT Translated into "IAT Company"
AFR Translated into "atomic power reactor"
RES Translated into "Royal Economic Society"
VSS It is translated as "vertical/short takeoff and landing (aircraft) supply ship"
D1
D2
D3
D4
PERM Barber's perm
CLT Translated as "Chemiluminescent Diode"
MAP Translated into a map in your hand
IDLE Literally
RAW Translated into uncooked
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Re: 2006 VW SANTANA B2 1.8

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https://wiki.rusefi.com/Vaults/Vault-Of-Terminology/

let me add IAT, the rest seem to already be there
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https://wiki.rusefi.com/Vaults/Vault-Of-Terminology/

let me add IAT, the rest seem to already be there
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You may also need to add these:
PERM
PPS
IDLE
TPS
RES
RAW
VIGN
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1065598263 wrote:
Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:54 pm
PPS
TPS
Added those two, there rest do not belong there those are just EE choice on specific board not automotive jargon.

RAW is in in fact uncooked here. IDLE is "idle"
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When is Hellen121VAG connected to F1 jumper? Because I saw the of alphax-4chan +12V_ RAW and V12_ PERM is connected. I have known V12_ PERM is the positive pole to the battery.

One more thing, my translation software translated Raw into food that was not cooked. :lol:
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I seem to find a mistake in the power12 module of hellen one.
The original number is U410
https://github.com/rusefi\alphax-4chan-main\boards\alphax_4ch-e\board\original.top.png
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Should the red dot pointed by the arrow be diagonally opposite?
It is obvious that pin 2 is not aligned with the grounding pad
Maybe this is right?
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Yes, orientation on fabrication files is a known mess.
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In alphax-4chan, if the type of camshaft position sensor is Hall sensor, can discard one of the vr-discrete modules?Just like hellen 121vag。Because I'm not a producer, I can't guarantee that discarding any module without my knowledge will not bring any accidents.
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I have finished drawing the PCB processing drawing, and I am currently checking whether there are errors. It is known that the sensor uses separate grounding to ensure that the clock signal is consistent. I checked V33A and V5A, but the wiring diagram of Hellen-One MCU144-0.6 module shows that GND and GNDA are not directly connected. How do I check or measure GNDA?

https://github.com/rusefi/hellen-one/blob/master/modules/mcu144/0.6/mcu144-schematic.pdf
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Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:24 pm
I have finished drawing the PCB processing drawing, and I am currently checking whether there are errors. It is known that the sensor uses separate grounding to ensure that the clock signal is consistent. I checked V33A and V5A, but the wiring diagram of Hellen-One MCU144-0.6 module shows that GND and GNDA are not directly connected. How do I check or measure GNDA?

https://github.com/rusefi/hellen-one/blob/master/modules/mcu144/0.6/mcu144-schematic.pdf
I have measured the ECU of Santana B2, and the conclusion is that the resistance between all 5V sensor grounding and 12V grounding is 3 Ω. Excuse me, is the 5V sensor grounding connected to GND or GNDA?
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In alphax-4chan, U1 requires to use TLS115 (C99000011264), but I only found TLS115B0LD (C540241), TLS115B0EJ (C540240), TLS115D0EJ (C540242), TLS115D0LD (C540243) produced by Infineon.
This is the description of B0: https://atta.szlcsc.com/upload/public/pdf/source/20200807/C540240_87A9E1CDF961AD2327194F2D295712D6.pdf
This is the manual of D0: https://atta.szlcsc.com/upload/public/pdf/source/20200807/C540243_DEB075FC4DE926DB699F3B76E95864EA.pdf
Which should I use instead?
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I found a job in car modification. My boss converted its Jetta (Golf) MK2 into an EA888 engine. The EA888 has two sets of fuel injection nozzles. One is the traditional injection in the intake manifold, and the other is the direct injection of gasoline into the combustion chamber. I have the conditions to provide direct injection and dual injection test engines, such as EA888 and EA113.

The progress of my project is now overturned, because the PCB made is too chaotic. At the same time, unfortunately, some stupid policies infected me with COVID-19, which made me unable to build the project normally.
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Thu Jan 26, 2023 11:10 am
One is the traditional injection in the intake manifold, and the other is the direct injection of gasoline into the combustion chamber.
VW only does it for a few years only on fancy models in US? Toyota D-4S does this for many years now
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AndreyB wrote:
Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:01 pm
1065598263 wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 11:10 am
One is the traditional injection in the intake manifold, and the other is the direct injection of gasoline into the combustion chamber.
VW only does it for a few years only on fancy models in US? Toyota D-4S does this for many years now
Yes, I strongly agree with your viewpoint. This is also one of the reasons why Toyota's sales in China are very good.
Additionally, where are the PCB files for the Hellen One Platform? Before this, I had completely drawn according to the style of the module, but I am not sure about its specific size.
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Excuse me,Which project uses the Lin module (K-Line)? I need it to obtain data from the speed sensor from ABS.
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