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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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mck1117 wrote:
Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:28 am
You have a cam sensor selected. Please set it to none.
i will check tomorrow
and record a log with a disabled pin PC6
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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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mck1117 wrote:
Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:28 am
You have a cam sensor selected. Please set it to none.
somting happen hear
all this logs all this pic PC6 off (cam sensor)
Same 3 spike on pic and screenshot

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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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Dude, you're hitting 100% injector duty cycle. If we hit 100% duty, we cut fuel.
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Get bigger injectors, reduce boost, add fuel pressure, etc.
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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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mck1117 wrote:
Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:38 pm
Dude, you're hitting 100% injector duty cycle. If we hit 100% duty, we cut fuel.

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Get bigger injectors, reduce boost, add fuel pressure, etc.
How ?
I have 650cc injectors

I need to repeat the same thing with the fuel pressure sensor (guage) !!!
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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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your tune is pretty crazy, what is going on here?
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At 38 IAT and 65 CLT, the total fuel multiplier is something like 2.3. What's up with that?
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Nik is a brave multi-spark user!

Which comes with random bursts of CUSTOM_OBD_SKIPPED_SPARK = 9009 error code
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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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Nik I think I should start visiting you more often. Please replenish gummy bears supply since Max has reached the bottom of the container.

GP PWM your settings were bad - this will now be a FATAL error https://github.com/rusefi/rusefi/issues/3222 - you would have to flip offBelow and onAbove values on your side.

GP PWM on/off was producing a false CUSTOM_OBD_LOW_FREQUENCY warning I've just fixed that https://github.com/rusefi/rusefi/commit/8c9ff949fe75e66e911578692ae713a210bae6a0

VSS input was changed to EXTI in master and this was conflicting with joystick settings. I've simply killed joystick in master for now https://github.com/rusefi/rusefi/issues/3227

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your warnings when you use multi-spark https://github.com/rusefi/rusefi/issues/3223 - I will need Matt's help here

your warnings on decel? https://github.com/rusefi/rusefi/issues/3225 I would need to look into this one day I do not know when :(

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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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hi
I have a question as you can see in the screenshot ...
the pressure gauge MAP sensor shows 100KPA
and in the table volumetric efficiency shows 220KPA is this correct????
in my understanding, what shows on the MAP gauge should show the same in volumetric efficiency table !?


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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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hi
i have still same problem
i changed my VE table (yes i have big mistake in ve table) but its not help from the fact that the engine jerks and stalls itself ...
look at the screenshots from the video
on them we see jerking a straight line (the engine is idling and the driver is not even in the insade car at this moment)
each time the surge increases and at the end there is a big surge and the engine stalls (is it working correctly or I touched the wrong settings again???)
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you can also look at all this on the video recording from the screen, since I don't really trust the recording in logs ...

first time loops problem 11:30 to 14:00 start (auto tune , data log)
second time loops problem 17:25 to 18:00 start (auto tune , data log)

after 18:30 stop (auto tune , data log)

23:30 drive back to home stop (auto tune ,data log) ecu not make Wrote bytes or large write and a dont see any problems ...


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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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https://rusefi.com/online/view.php?log=350 is Sept 5th log with RPM blip
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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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During the RPM blip, there is:
  • No trigger error logged (primary trigger, the 60-2 is fine)
  • Event causes brief double RPM (ECU thought one cycle was twice as fast as it should've been)
  • VVT phase goes nuts at the event
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This makes me thing something is up with cam sense.
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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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Some general tuning comments:

Tcharge should probably set to the basic RPM+TPS mode for now.

Coolant fuel multiplier curve is quite extreme. Try setting it to a smooth slope that has zero correction by 50 deg C.

IAT fuel multipler is wrong, set it to flat 1 for now as 1.2 is giving 20% extra fuel at all times.

You can probably turn multi spark off for now while we try to troubleshoot the issues you are having, the fewer advanced features turned on right now the easier it's going to be to sort this out.
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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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OrchardPerformance wrote:
Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:09 am
Some general tuning comments:

Tcharge should probably set to the basic RPM+TPS mode for now.

Coolant fuel multiplier curve is quite extreme. Try setting it to a smooth slope that has zero correction by 50 deg C.

IAT fuel multipler is wrong, set it to flat 1 for now as 1.2 is giving 20% extra fuel at all times.

You can probably turn multi spark off for now while we try to troubleshoot the issues you are having, the fewer advanced features turned on right now the easier it's going to be to sort this out.
If I make IAT fuel multipler 1 AFR go to 20+ ...

To drap AFR to 14.7 I need put in VE 150

If I make VE 150 injector duty cycle go to 100+%

But this is maybe my mechanical calculation error ...

It easy to fixt but I need run engine but I don have
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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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Just a quick validation of injector duty cycle math, looks good to me:

rusEFI shows 2% at 1200 RPM

logic analyzer shows 2.3ms out of 100ms crankshaft cycle duration, looks like same 2% to me
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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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Nick can you please post one photo of your complete engine bay just to show generic layout of things. This is about thinking where to install a MAF sensor.
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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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first rpm jump 8:00 ( actual incident 8:15 , 8:22)
second rpm jump 9:30 ( actual incident 9:50 )
third rpm jomp 11:30 ( actual incident 11:42 )
fourth engin stop 12:00 ( actual incident 12:35)
fifth engine stop 14:00 ( actual incident 14:15)





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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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A week ago we had https://rusefi.com/online/view.php?msq=654&dialog=triggerConfiguration_IO settings
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6 days ago we had https://github.com/rusefi/rusefi/issues/3269#issuecomment-927536185
A work-around could be to simply change "VVT sync edge" from falling to raising - this would move cam sync away from trigger sync
Today we have https://rusefi.com/online/view.php?msq=663&dialog=triggerConfiguration_IO
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My proposal today is same: please change "VVT sync edge" from falling to raising - this would move cam sync away from trigger sync.

I am happy to stop by tomorrow to help in any way I can help.
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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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Rpm jump
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Sweeeet!

Next questions is another 6K rev?
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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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Just want to confirm a couple of facts.

The engine has the cam sensor in the distributor body yes?

Like the single cutout trigger wheel shown in this video?


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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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please link tune and log. Please "set debug mode.... bla bla bla" like the dialog says

great video at

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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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2022-10-18_17_43_06_141: EngineState: LUA: onMotor3 0 58 0 7B 20 0 0 E
2022-10-18_17_43_06_141: EngineState: LUA: pps 0.0000000 tps 5.5999999 iat 18.0000000
2022-10-18_17_43_06_141: EngineState: LUA: onMotor1 1 1F 12 C 1F 0 15 1F
2022-10-18_17_43_06_141: EngineState: LUA: rpm 772.5000000 tps 0.0000000
2022-10-18_17_43_06_141: EngineState: LUA: onMotor3 0 58 0 7B 20 0 0 E
2022-10-18_17_43_06_141: EngineState: LUA: pps 0.0000000 tps 5.5999999 iat 18.0000000
2022-10-18_17_43_06_141: EngineState: LUA: onMotor1 1 1F 12 C 1F 0 15 1F
2022-10-18_17_43_06_141: EngineState: LUA: rpm 772.5000000 tps 0.0000000

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-- start of technical boring details please ignore
hexstr = { 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, "A", "B", "C", "D", "E", "F" }

function toHexString(num)
	if num == 0 then
		return '0'
	end

	local result = ""
	while num > 0 do
		local n = num % 16
		result = hexstr[n + 1] ..result
		num = math.floor(num / 16)
	end
	return result
end

function arrayToString(arr)
	local str = ""
	local index = 1
	while arr[index] ~= nil do
		str = str.." "..toHexString(arr[index])
		index = index + 1
	end
	return str
end

function getBitRange(data, bitIndex, bitWidth)
	byteIndex = bitIndex >> 3
	shift = bitIndex - byteIndex * 8
	value = data[1 + byteIndex]
	if (shift + bitWidth > 8) then
		value = value + data[2 + byteIndex] * 256
	end
	mask = (1 << bitWidth) - 1
	return (value >> shift) & mask
end

-- end of boring technical stuff
-- start of interesting VAG-specific processing

MOTOR_1 = 0x280
MOTOR_3 = 0x380
MOTOR_INFO = 0x580
MOTOR_5 = 0x480
MOTOR_6 = 0x488
MOTOR_7 = 0x588

ppsSensor = Sensor.new("AcceleratorPedal")
iatSensor = Sensor.new("Iat")
cltSensor = Sensor.new("clt")
cltSensor:setTimeout(3000)
tpsSensor = Sensor.new("Tps1")


function onMotor1(bus, id, dlc, data)
	rpm = getBitRange(data, 16, 16) * 0.25
	tps = getBitRange(data, 40, 8) * 0.4

	print('onMotor1 ' ..arrayToString(data))
	print ('rpm ' ..rpm ..' tps ' ..tps)
	setLuaGauge(2, rpm)
end

function onMotor3(bus, id, dlc, data)
-- same as iatValue = data[2] * 0.75 - 48
	iatValue = getBitRange(data, 8, 8) * 0.75 - 48
	ppsValue = getBitRange(data, 16, 8) * 0.40
-- same as 	tpsValue = data[8] * 0.40
	tpsValue = getBitRange(data, 56, 8) * 0.40

	print('onMotor3 ' ..arrayToString(data))
	print ('pps ' ..ppsValue ..' tps ' ..tpsValue ..' iat ' ..iatValue )
	setLuaGauge(1, iatValue )

	iatSensor : set(iatValue )
	ppsSensor : set(ppsValue )
	tpsSensor: set(tpsValue )
end

canRxAdd(1, MOTOR_1, onMotor1)
canRxAdd(1, MOTOR_3, onMotor3)

-- this controls onCanRx rate as well!
setTickRate(300)

function onTick()
	--setLuaGauge(2, 13)
end

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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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I managed to move the arrow only the PPS see screenshot

ID
MOTOR_3 = 0x380 00 66 00 00 00 00 00 00 20ms

I did not quite understand in the script how to determine which byte IAT or RPM

maybe errors in the lower left corner IAT CLT affect it
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For current script to work one needs to un-assign real inputs on CLT/IAT/TPS, and then power cycle the ECU
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After power cycle I get
2022-10-19_19_55_35_476: EngineState: LUA loading script length: 1982...
2022-10-19_19_55_35_476: EngineState: LUA registered sensor of type AcceleratorPedal
2022-10-19_19_55_35_477: EngineState: LUA registered sensor of type Iat
2022-10-19_19_55_35_477: EngineState: LUA registered sensor of type Clt
2022-10-19_19_55_35_477: EngineState: LUA registered sensor of type Tps1
2022-10-19_19_55_35_477: EngineState: Added Lua CAN RX filter id 0x280 mask 0x1FFFFFFF with custom function
2022-10-19_19_55_35_477: EngineState: Added Lua CAN RX filter id 0x380 mask 0x1FFFFFFF with custom function
2022-10-19_19_55_35_478: EngineState: LUA script loaded successfully!
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2022-11-06_16_29_14_848: EngineState: LUA ERROR loading script: [string "--start of technical boring details please ig..."]:54: calling 'setTimeout' on bad self (cpp class not export)
2022-11-06_16_29_14_848: EngineState: LUA: Tearing down instance...
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Progress was made https://github.com/rusefi/rusefi/blob/master/firmware/controllers/lua/examples/vwtp.txt

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2022-12-23_17_41_48_095: EngineState: LUA: Looks like payload index 0:  25 0 1A 61 2 [1 C8 0]
2022-12-23_17_41_48_096: EngineState: LUA: Looks like payload index 1:  26 [21 85 72] [16 FF 0] [60
2022-12-23_17_41_48_096: EngineState: LUA: Looks like payload index 2:  27 64 64] 25 0 0 25 0
2022-12-23_17_41_48_098: EngineState: LUA: Looks like payload index 3:  18 0 25 0 0 25 0 0


2022-12-23_18_54_03_324: EngineState: LUA: Requesting next group 4 with counter 8
2022-12-23_18_54_03_391: EngineState: LUA: Looks like payload index 0:  2D 0 1A 61 4 [1 C8 0]
2022-12-23_18_54_03_392: EngineState: LUA: Looks like payload index 1:  2E [15 5E 7E] [5 A 3B] [5
2022-12-23_18_54_03_392: EngineState: LUA: Looks like payload index 2:  2F A 7C] [?5 A 3B?] [?5 A
2022-12-23_18_54_03_393: EngineState: LUA: Looks like payload index 3:  10 BB?] [?5 A BE?] 25 0 0
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