[help needed] rusEfi needs v12

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OrchardPerformance wrote:
Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:53 pm
However that 2.0L engine is the same block and most of the fittings as the ecoboost engine, it was only branded ecoboost when they threw a turbo on it so there is not much difference between the DI duratec and the 2.0 ecoboost.
Oh right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_L_engine#2.0_L_(LF-DE,_LF-VE,_LF-VD)
A turbocharged EcoBoost version (of Ford Duratec 20) was introduced in 2010.
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As someone who daily drives a 2.0 Ecoboost, I figured I should chime in!

The 2.0 GTDI (ecoboost) and 2.0 GDI (duratec) are mostly the same engine. The bottom end is mostly the same, and while some things like the injectors and fuel pump are different, they're the same family of parts (the ecoboost ones are just larger capacity). They're both derivatives of the Mazda L engine, as are the previous 2.0 and 2.3 liter MPFI duratecs used in Ford vehicles since 2001 (but older ones don't have GDI).

I think the Skyactiv is mostly unrelated and clean sheet designed.

The 1.6 Ecoboost is not of the same family, but is instead of the Sigma family: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Sigma_engine

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Yep, as stated above, ford have a bad habit of naming engines and trim levels at random. We have "Zetec" as a iron block engine, a sigma type engine and a vehicle trim level, duratec as an engine series that included one of the older zetec engines, etc, etc.

Ecoboost wise there is kind of 3 families of inline engines - the mazda L engine based 2.0 4 pot, the ford sigma based 1.6 and 1.5 4 pot and the ground up designed 3 cylinder engines.
However when it comes to the peripherals and the actuators they are all quite similar, ford like all manufacturers seem to re-use parts across several engines/cars (wouldn't make sense not too) so the injectors, cam de-phasers, high pressure pump etc etc all function in a similar way so a similar ECU can control them for the sake of production volumes.
In that aspect the same electronic hardware could control all of them and likely a lot of the newer ford engines like the V6 ecoboost or the direct injection modular.

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There is also W12 as in VAG W12 as in Phaeton/A8/let's not mention Bentley... Does W12 hold the same wow-factor as V12? :)

Running Phaeton could maybe be had pretty cheap.
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There is also W12 as in VAG W12 as in Phaeton/A8/let's not mention Bentley... Does W12 hold the same wow-factor as V12? :)

Running Phaeton could maybe be had pretty cheap.
It will be Wooooooooooooooowwwwwww
W12 have 4 ECU ...

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russian wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:52 am
There is also W12 as in VAG W12 as in Phaeton/A8/let's not mention Bentley... Does W12 hold the same wow-factor as V12? :)

Running Phaeton could maybe be had pretty cheap.
12 cylinders are a wonderful thing, v or w doesn't much matter imo. I've been thinking a w12 belongs in a cayman or maybe boxster.......

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Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:52 am
There is also W12 as in VAG W12 as in Phaeton
https://www.quora.com/Would-buying-a-used-2004-2006-VW-Phaeton-W12-be-a-horrible-idea
If the starter motor goes, you may as well replace the water pump as well. Being an engine-out operation, It takes 24 hours worth of labour the remove the engine then an additional 2 hours to replace the starter motor.
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Phaeton W12... A bit of rattle can paint, scary sounds - but it has started right away! And cheeeeeaaaaaap.



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It sounds like something rubbing or a bearing in an accessory or similar, I don't think thats an internal bad things kind of sound.....hard to say from the video though.

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mk e wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:21 am
It sounds like something rubbing or a bearing in an accessory or similar, I don't think thats an internal bad things kind of sound.....hard to say from the video though.
Agreed. Life, it sounded very much like a power steering pump low on fluid, but moving the wheels didn't change anything. Some pulley bearing, tensioner etc. The bad part is that on this engine all the accessories are in the back. Essentially inaccessible :(

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stefanst wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:11 pm
Agreed. Life, it sounded very much like a power steering pump low on fluid, but moving the wheels didn't change anything. Some pulley bearing, tensioner etc. The bad part is that on this engine all the accessories are in the back. Essentially inaccessible :(
I guess that begs the question about the intended use of this?

I have to believe a couple hours with a sawzall or torch would have you access to just about anything if the car isn't going on the road again or have everything cut away and the drive-train prepped to go into a much smaller/funner body donor car.

But if the plan is to drive a bit as a phanton, well then you have to do it the hard way.

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I think best use of W12 would be to de-stroke to maybe 3.5l, ITBs, super-hot cams. Make it revv 12,000rpm and swap into Miata.

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Thu Sep 19, 2019 10:35 pm
I think best use of W12 would be to de-stroke to maybe 3.5l, ITBs, super-hot cams. Make it revv 12,000rpm and swap into Miata.
Sounds expensive, COOL, but expensive. Once you open an engine it seems like you're always in for a couple grand minimum and a change like that woud be custom crank at $3-5k, pistons at $1500-2000, porting which would be $2k min, then custom valve train for another 5k...it adds up fast :(

Or you say, yay, bently has a 630hp twin turbo version so it can be done.....a pair of turbos is $2-3k (maybe used for a few hundred), some pipe and sunh another $500 and done. The pull from the darkside is hard to resist....but there is nothing quite like the crackle from a NA and massively cammed 12.

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I wish I had that 31 y.o. BWM as a daily driver...

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Anyone has a V16 for sale?

This one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Goldfisch_V16 is probably not available

There is that Bugatti scam car which apparently changes hands and goes down in price every couple of years



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Note to self on my future N73: HPFP rebuild requires a DIY pendagon/five side DIY wrench bit and $15
Magnafuel Fuel Pressure Regulator Rebuild Components #MP-9400-03

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Just a note to myself that a starting N73 could now be had for $1550+fees

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