Harley Requirements

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When VNLD5300
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Engine temp sensor markings: "ETS" "32700054"
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Re: Harley Requirements

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Hello Mark
My name is Andrey
rusEFI knows this 81 pin connector very intimately
the 81 pin connector is used by Hellen81 board https://rusefi.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1946
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A step towards world domination :)
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A tiny step forward
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We have schematics draft at https://github.com/rusefi/proteus-harley81

Next step adding TJR1443AT/0Z to test it on the adapter and we need to document our power supply plan just to make sure we are on the same page.
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Harley now runs well enough for dyno steady state tuning w/ proteus & handmade shitty adapter. Next step, finishing good adapter design, tuning, debugging, and prototype production time!

Will be working on adding TJR transceiver to the schematics tonight. Love you all.
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He was hiding his Harley porn from us!





might be more somewhere :)
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On the one hand Harley started something ion sense in 2000 https://www.theautochannel.com/news/press/date/20000727/press021552.html

On the other hand https://www.cycleworld.com/harley-davidson-motorcycles-new-milwaukee-eight-big-twin-engine/#page-8
Each cylinder has an acceleration-type knock sensor that, with ECM control, protects the engine from detonation. Within one or two detonating cycles the system pulls ignition timing back to prevent abnormal combustion. The system is an improvement over the previous ion-sensing knock detection.
What is acceleration-type knock sensor?
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Very rich AFR, very little timing, first revision tune on the Harley.
For context, this exact bike, with the stock ECU made 70.1WHP
Today we peaked at 78.4whp/101.3 w/ WCF.
Massive thank you to Dave for the tuning & Simon for his vast knowledge on all engines.

I'd say this is one hell of a success. Tomorrow we see if this bike has anything more to give.
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Dave and I discovered yesterday that the stock air filter is stupid restrictive. Pulling up to an inch of mercury post 3300. Today we have done 3 more runs with no air filter, and by god torque curve is way better, with HP peak moving by 300-500RPM forward. Time to look into better air filters.
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Revision 1 Hellen has arrived.
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nmstec wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 5:39 am
Revision 1 Hellen has arrived.
And looks like it's the second and most serious JLCPCB fabrication issue we've experienced so far :( A few vias seem to be shorting layers those are not supposed to be shorting.
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Case is finally available
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Some CAN decoding was done by https://github.com/sofresh007/CANHarley

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ID	Name	Length	Data
550	Lowbeam(LOOP)	6	xx 00 00 00 00 00
550	Highbeam	6	xx ** ** ** ** **
550	Clutch Pressed	6	xx ** ** ** ** **
550	Menu/Scroll	8	04 06 00 00 00 B4 00 FF
544	Throttle	8	xx ** ** ** ** ** ** **
542	Jiffystand up	8	xx ** ** ** ** ** ** **
542	Jiffystand down	8	xx ** ** ** ** ** ** **
541	Engine Temp	8	** ** ** ** ** xx ** **
540	Engine runtime since start	8	** ** ** ** ** ** xx xx
532	Pin Code	8	** ** ** ** ** ** ** **
530	Battery voltage	8	** ** ** ** ** xx ** **
530	Neutral Light	8	** ** xx ** ** ** ** **
5C1	Clock FF= 12/14H clock	8	SS MM HH ** ** ** ** FF
5C0	Km/miles switch	8	xx ** ** ** ** ** ** **
5C0	Odometer	8	** ** ** ** ** xx xx xx
521	Speed	7	** XX ** ** **
520	ABS sensors	5	** ** ** ** **
7E1	ABS	?	** ** ** ** ** ** ** **
7E9	ABS 2	?	** ** ** ** ** ** ** **
7E2	BCM	?	** ** ** ** ** ** ** **
7EA	BCM 2	?	** ** ** ** ** ** ** **
7E0	ECU	?	** ** ** ** ** ** ** **
7E8	ECU 2	?	** ** ** ** ** ** ** **
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OMG Delphi MT22.1 seems to be used by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifan_X60
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With a weird engine design looks like harley would have to leverage all the trim options to get even AFR?
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Note to self

female connector on ECU side, make connector vehicle side.

JAE MX1900 2 Pos Socket Housing | MX19002S51
JAE MX1900 2 Pos Pin Housing | MX19002P51
JAE MX1900 Socket Crimp Terminal | M19S09K3F2
JAE MX1900 Pin Crimp Terminal | M19P09K3F2

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Pictured is Slavic Harley made of two vintagechainsawcollection.blogspot.com/2012/04/druzhba-russia-cccp-model-4-and-4-a.html actually GK2V91MW-2

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