Re: cheap cylinder pressure sensor option - smart diesel glow plug with pressure sensor
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 7:00 am
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PSG001 - 55564163
* опель Insignia A 2.0 CDTI
* устарела, вместо неё PSG006
Overall Length [mm]: 179,9
Thread Size: M9x1,0
Voltage [V]: 4,4
Spanner Size: 12 mm
Glow Plug Design: with pressure sensor, after-glow capable, Pencil-type Glow Plug
Fitting Depth [mm]: 35
Connector type: 4 mm PIN (PSG)
Rated Current [A]: 8,5
Tightening torque to [Nm]: 10
Tightening torque from [Nm]: 8
Cone Pitch: 93
Failure Moment [Nm]: 22
GM 55564163
BERU PSG001
BERU 0103010903
4014427121831
OPEL 1826354
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Insignia A 2.0 CDTI 2008-2018
Insignia MK1 2.0 CDTI 2008-2017
PSG003
55580403
55237483
* Opel Astra J/MK 1.3 CDTI
Overall Length [mm]: 132,2
Thread Size: M9x1,0
Voltage [V]: 4,4
Spanner Size: 12 mm
Glow Plug Design: with pressure sensor, after-glow capable, Pencil-type Glow Plug
Fitting Depth [mm]: 28
Connector type: 4 mm PIN (PSG)
Rated Current [A]: 8,5
Tightening torque to [Nm]: 10
Tightening torque from [Nm]: 8
Cone Pitch: 93
Failure Moment [Nm]: 22
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Astra J 1.3 CDTI 2009-2019
Astra Mk6 1.3 CDTI 2009-2019
Corsa D 1.3 CDTI 2006-2019
Meriva B 1.3 CDTI 2010-2019
PSG004 - 55568366/55590466
* Опель Astra 1.7 CDTI
Overall Length [mm]: 168
Thread Size: M10x1,25
Voltage [V]: 4,4
Spanner Size: 12 mm
Glow Plug Design: with pressure sensor, after-glow capable, Pencil-type Glow Plug
Fitting Depth [mm]: 24
Connector type: 4 mm PIN (PSG)
Rated Current [A]: 25
Tightening torque to [Nm]: 20
Tightening torque from [Nm]: 15
Cone Pitch: 121
Failure Moment [Nm]: 35
GM 55568366
GM 55590466
BERU PSG004
OPEL 1214088
OPEL 1214104
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Astra MK6 1.7 CDTI 2009-2019
Astra J 1.7 CDTI 2009-2018
PSG005 - 55571600
* Opel Zafira 1.6 CDTI (только)
Overall Length [mm]: 158,35
Thread Size: M10x1,0
Voltage [V]: 4,4
Supplementary Info: PSG
Spanner Size: 12 mm
Glow Plug Design: with pressure sensor, after-glow capable, Pencil-type Glow Plug
Fitting Depth [mm]: 31,4
Connector type: 4 mm PIN (PSG)
Rated Current [A]: 8,5
Tightening torque to [Nm]: 20
Tightening torque from [Nm]: 15
Cone Pitch: 93
Failure Moment [Nm]: 35
GM 55571600
BERU PSG005
4014427141709
BERU 0103010102
BERU 0103010107
OPEL 1214099
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Zafira Tourer C 1.6 CDTI 2013-2019
Zafira MK3 1.6 CDTI 2013-2019
PSG006 - 55579436/55590467
* Thread Size M9x1.0
* Opel/Vauxhall 2.0 CDTI
* характеристики и размеры те же, что у 55564163
* она пришла на смену PSG001 и должна во всём совпадать с ней!
GM 55579436
GM 55590467
BERU PSG006
4014427141709
OPEL 1214087
OPEL 1214101
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Astra MK6 2.0 CDTI 2009-2019
Astra J 2.0 CDTI 2009-2018
Cascada W13 2.0 CDTI 2013-2019
Insignia A 2.0 CDTI 2008-2018
Insignia MK1 2.0 CDTI 2008-2017
Zafira Tourer C 2.0 CDTI 2011-2019
Zafira MK3 2.0 CDTI 2011-2019
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/Glow-Plug-with-Cylinder-Pressure-Sensor-2-0-CDTI-For-Opel-GM-55579436/372707821325?hash=item56c71e070d:g:01wAAOSwrl9dCkBg
= $101
https://www.ebay.com/itm/VAUXHALL-INSIGNIA-2-0-CDTI-A20DTH-GLOW-PLUG-PRESSURE-SENSOR-55579436-FITS-08-15/283666703111?epid=1925270380&hash=item420bda6307:g:3k0AAOSwjT9dwxFY
= $47 (б/у)
PSG007 - 03L905061G,03L905061F
* Thread Size M10x1.0
Overall Length [mm]: 148,5
Thread Size: M10x1,0
Voltage [V]: 4,4
Spanner Size: 12 mm
Glow Plug Design: with pressure sensor, after-glow capable, Pencil-type Glow Plug
Fitting Depth [mm]: 28
Connector type: 4 mm PIN (PSG)
Tightening torque to [Nm]: 20
Tightening torque from [Nm]: 15
Cone Pitch: 63
Failure Moment [Nm]: 35
VAG 03L905061 D/E/F/G/K
BERU PSG007
* на Ауди ставят только 1 такую свечу
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Audi A1 1.4/1.6 TDI
Audi A3 1.6/2.0 TDI
Audi A4 B8/B9 2.0/3.0 TDI
Audi A5 B8/B9 2.0/3.0 TDI
Audi A6 C7 2.0/3.0 TDI
Audi Q2 1.6/2.0 TDI
Audi Q3 2.0 TDI
Audi Q5 2.0/3.0 TDI
Audi Q7 3.0 TDI
Audi TT 2.0 TDI
Skoda Fabia 3 1.4 TDI 2014-2019
Skoda Octavia 3 1.6/2.0 TDI 2012-2019
Skoda Rapid 1.4/1.6 TDI 2015-2019
Skoda Superb 3 1.6/2.0 TDI 2015-2019
Skoda Yeti 2.0 TDI 2015-2019
VW Caddy Alltrack 4 2.0 TDI 2015-2019
VW Golf 1.6/2.0 TDI 2014-2019
VW Golf 6 2.0 TDI 2008-2013
VW Golf 7 1.6/2.0 TDI 2012-2019
VW Jetta Mk5 2.0 TDI 2005-2010
VW Jetta Mk6 2.0 TDI 2011-2019
VW Passat B8 1.6/2.0 TDI 2014-2019
VW Polo 5 1.4 TDI 2014-2019
VW Tiguan 1 2.0 TDI 2015-2019
VW Tuareg 1/2 3.0 TDI 2004-2019
VW Touran 2 1.6/2.0 TDI 2015-2019
VW Transporter T6 2.0 TDI 2015-2019
They would probably run fine, but maybe be a little more knock prone and worse emissions. Easy, just run E85
The software, programmers would be false. I would love to continue progress on this. I have done something very basic and similar for TDC locating.
Its not that there is not access, its that there is no access without pulling the side cover and fitting a degree wheel which is the standard approach but was deemed to much bother iirc. The older ones had a plug in the case to check timing left over from the points days but on the new designs that's gone, so pull the side cover is the only way to physically check it these days from what I understand.
There are zero exposed spinning parts on a Harley engine until the drive sprocket on the belt. You can't see any part of the crankshaft, camshaft, timing gears/chain, etc. All of those are behind covers and bathed in oil, so if you tried to run the engine with one of those covers off, all your oil would pour out.
I understand and agree, that providing a timing-wheel to a crankshaft is a difficult issue.mk e wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:53 pmIts not that there is not access, its that there is no access without pulling the side cover and fitting a degree wheel which is the standard approach but was deemed to much bother iirc. The older ones had a plug in the case to check timing left over from the points days but on the new designs that's gone, so pull the side cover is the only way to physically check it these days from what I understand.
He didn't drill another hole, just put a sensor in the spark plug hole to test at cranking speed.sepp2gl wrote: ↑Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:33 pmBut isn't it even more problematic to drill another hole into the combustion chamber for a Glow-Plug Pressure Sensor?
(Unless you need it only for the purpose of maintainance with a cold-motored engine.
Here you could use the spark-plug hole to get access for the GPPS.)
No, no, it was a setup thing not a while running thing. He pulled out the plug and cranked while logging then used the traces of crank position (guess) and peak pressure to get a better guess at the real crank timing and changed the number in the setup to be closer to real.