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Re: Моё Чудо ... VW Passat B4 ABA ... #16

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as far as I can get it from this muddy explanation, Rusefi gives somewhat ten times less pulses than is actually needed (might be mistaken)
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my logs ... today date ... maybe someone look ... and tell me what to do better ...
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Looks nice.

Do you want to consider a break out board for your connector? Soldering wires direct to the connector commonly results in vibration issues. A break out board with wire then soldered to that board would make a much better long term connection. If your interested in a break out board, let me know. I can likely help it out for you if we can get dimensions to work from.
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kb1gtt wrote:Looks nice.

Do you want to consider a break out board for your connector? Soldering wires direct to the connector commonly results in vibration issues. A break out board with wire then soldered to that board would make a much better long term connection. If your interested in a break out board, let me know. I can likely help it out for you if we can get dimensions to work from.
that would be great ... I need asking russian to help me get the measurements ...The exact size since he already has experience ...
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Looks like I need to finish this break out board. I just need to finish the silk screen. Do you have interest in this break out board? I expect most people would install wires into the via's which are used for the straight connector.
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Yes make straight connector ...
Make silk screen same like pin numbers on connector ...
Do you have numbers same like on picture on bottom ???
If no I need to draw .
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I do not have a physical connector. I only have a 3D model and 2D drawing downloaded from TE. I believe I have added a little extra via clearance to allow for a thin layer of solder on the pins which would be found on salvaged connectors. Silk screen is done. See attached pictures for a teaser. I believe these will be in the rusEFI repo soon-ish. Let me know if you see any problems with the silk screen. Also notice how the center row on the 90 degree connector has the rows moved relative to the straight connector. That's because the connector has the rows moved.
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vw aba engine ...
coolant temperature
Air Intake Tempurature Sensor
identical data for both sensors
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these are my settings ...did i do them right ( correct) ???)))
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Looks good - your settings match your curves.
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i have trouble with coolant temperature sensors Air Intake Tempurature Sensor...
my working range of my temperature sensor from 100 ohms to 7000 ohms ...
so 30C between 1500 - 2000 Ohms 80c between 275-375 ohms ...
in my understanding I need the right set of resistor divider ??? (so that the software understands my 100-7000 ohms value) ...
in the screenshot below R211 R221 DNP
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What does "tempinfo" command in rusEfi console say if let you car cool down to current 70F/22C outside temperature?
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russian wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:00 pm
What does "tempinfo" command in rusEfi console say if let you car cool down to current 70F/22C outside temperature?
TS Tempinfo gauge cool down 0c
what mean Bias resistor Ohms
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ok I found on the internet magic numbers which work for me Bias resistor Ohms 2490
i still not understand how its work ???
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hi
i think i have TPS problem ... check the video ...
maybe someone will have an idea what's wrong ...
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the engine doesn't want to start up on Rusefi :shock:
i checked there is a spark (ignition coil work)
there is fuel to (injector work )
engine rotation to sound is always same
there is also NO sign that the engine is sneezing or coughing ......
(я не знаю как по английски сказать двигатель чихает пердит и не заводится )))
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on the picture you can see that RPM when the motor is spinning 220 rpm (by starter)
but when i turn ignitio off rpm go up to 700
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the mechanical problem that I had I fixed ... (two spark plugs died)
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also as i understand ECU starts feeding fuel and spark when detecting a minimum 350 rpm ?
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Fuel pressure??? Does the fuel pump create pressure when it fails?
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also as i understand ECU starts feeding fuel and spark when detecting a minimum 350 rpm ?
Nope. Ecu feeds fuel and spark at any rpm, it just uses different valculations below and above cranking threshold.

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I found another my problem ...
I haven't updated for a long time software ...
and as I understand it a lot of changes have been made ...
that fuel MAP that I had before is not working now (old map instantly makes wet spark plug ) ...
I manually reduced the values in VE table ...
and the engine started ...
but auto tuning not working like before ...
check the video below ...(

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Abricos wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:47 pm
I found another my problem ...
check the video below ...(

Your engine is too cold for auto tune! It shows the "minimum CLT" yellow message in bottom-right which is the reason why it refuses to auto-tune. Please warm up the engine, the filter would deactivate and auto-tune would have a chance.

I've checked your 6.30.2019#2.rar file but it looks like maximum RPM is 750? Did you run engine above idle in any of the data logs?
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russian wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:28 pm
Abricos wrote:
Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:47 pm
I found another my problem ...
check the video below ...(

Your engine is too cold for auto tune! It shows the "minimum CLT" yellow message in bottom-right which is the reason why it refuses to auto-tune. Please warm up the engine, the filter would deactivate and auto-tune would have a chance.

I've checked your 6.30.2019#2.rar file but it looks like maximum RPM is 750? Did you run engine above idle in any of the data logs?
In this 6.30.2019#2.rar data logs engine never started ...
he didn't even make sounds to start ...
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the engine does not want to start again (where is the crying smilies?)
it seems to me that there are no injector on the pictures from the console ?
I also made two videos
on the video we see how late the spark video #1

may be any ideas in which direction I look !!!

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during simulation in the console also do not show the injector
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You are asking the right question - no injector output on engine sniffer is alarming. Also weird that it does not show output pin "Coil #1/" yet still blinks?

Can you please post fresh cranking logs and current tune? Could your tune have reset unexpectedly?
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the only changes that I was doing I changed between injector simultaneously or sequential ...
I only have a sensor crankshaft
I don't have a camshaft sensor (he is on engine but i don't use it) ...
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I am trying to help here. My question is if configuration got corrupted and I am looking for real latest logs and real latest tune. You are free to help me help you or not help me help you :)
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