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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by snua12 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:19 am

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I'm apologize, Leds are blinking. I've connected throttle body sensor and after few seconds display goes in "two line" mode. Tuner studio is working and throttle position sensor is working in Tuner studio.
Rusefi console is also working.

I understood that problem can be with hardware, dead display or dead gipo on CPU. Or someting in configuration.

Today I'v upload snapshot_20190806_000757_frankenso_na6_rusefi.
Problem was in settings, I've enable lcd display in Tuner Studio Controler-> LCD -> display mode -> hd44780. That was what I'm loogin for.

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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by Ahmad » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:32 pm

Hi
Is it prefer to use SDIO for MMC?
Is it supported with your code?

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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by Abricos » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:46 pm

Ahmad wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:32 pm
Hi
Is it prefer to use SDIO for MMC?
Is it supported with your code?
It's supposed SD card ...

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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by russian » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:54 pm

Ahmad wrote:
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Is it prefer to use SDIO for MMC?
At the moment we only have SPI mode for SD hardware. SDIO mode is not supported in the firmware - see https://github.com/rusefi/rusefi/issues/683
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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by atntpt » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:11 pm

Can anyone help me understand why do i have this noise on analog inputs ?
The frequency of the noise seams to sync with some kind of led blink or something
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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by mck1117 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:06 pm

atntpt wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:11 pm
Can anyone help me understand why do i have this noise on analog inputs ?
The frequency of the noise seams to sync with some kind of led blink or something
What does your wiring setup look like? What sensors are those connected to? How are they grounded? How is the ECU grounded?

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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by atntpt » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:57 pm

Testing on bench , I noticed if I power it via discovery usb the 5v line also varies .

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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by kb1gtt » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:22 pm

Which LED did you disconnect to determine it was an LED?
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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by atntpt » Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:36 pm

By led I meant a blinking frequency xD

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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by mck1117 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:00 pm

atntpt wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:57 pm
Testing on bench , I noticed if I power it via discovery usb the 5v line also varies .
I understand that you're testing on the bench, but how are the sensors connected? Are sensors connected at all?

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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by atntpt » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:02 pm

I have resistors simulating sensors

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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by Old Grey » Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:58 pm

The missing assembly photo
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This pic wasn't in this topic, and I was guessing stuff until I found this hard to find photo

I didn't bother making the correct part, but will the centre combination work with the flybacks. The diodes are 2.5mm, and the leg in between is 0.5mm, so the spacing would be 3mm. I put an example trace on the end diode for a SMD part.
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Also there's not much room around the screws. I suppose I could use a insulating washer.
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What's the INJ current across the 0 ohm resistors. Is it single INJ per mosfet and the STM32 batches them, or can you connect 2 INJ per mosfet. Basically is 0805 ok or do I use 1206.

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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by kb1gtt » Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:29 pm

Inj limit is unknown. I expect the limit is based on the mosfet. I think qty 1 mosfet will over heat at around 3 perhaps 4 amps. Each high z injector will conduct about 1 amp. The 0805 is probably fine even up to 5 amps. However the mosfet may over heat and go into shutdown. This is all guess work. So we really don't know.
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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by stefanst » Tue Sep 24, 2019 3:00 am

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What's the INJ current across the 0 ohm resistors. Is it single INJ per mosfet and the STM32 batches them, or can you connect 2 INJ per mosfet. Basically is 0805 ok or do I use 1206.
Old Miatas run batch injection with 2 injectors per channel. Several of these are running with 0 problems so far.

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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by DonaldBecker » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:07 pm

Zero ohm resistors are good to at least 1 amp.

Above that you'll need to consult the datasheet for the specific resistor. They will typically specify 2.0 or 2.5 amps (0805) with de-rating for temperature and other conditions. With a 50% design margin you are right back at not much more than 1 amp.

There are specialized zero ohm links that are solid copper with a tin or silver plating. These cost quite a bit more than regular production series resistors with a zero ohm rating, but can be useful in a pinch. A casual search on Digikey brings up a part that is 0.43 qnty 1 in 0805. Hmm, I guess they are targeting designers with a problem that needs to be covered up.

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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by kb1gtt » Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:06 pm

If it's a problem, you can also replace the 0805 with a solder snot.
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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by Old Grey » Tue Sep 24, 2019 10:01 pm

I was just thinking that the pad is 1.4mm, and a 1206 is 1.5mm, so I thought it would be wise to link them to the 0.070" pins on the Denso connector. If it does 2 High-Z with a single 0805 it's probably not necessary. 8-)

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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by puff » Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:03 am

I do remember an smd 0603 fuse rated for 3A (or was it 5A - a green package with letter P on it) used in apple laptops.
when I was looking for a replacement, I thought of using a zero-ohm resistor. Just curious, how bad was such an idea...

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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by DonaldBecker » Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:12 pm

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I do remember an smd 0603 fuse rated for 3A (or was it 5A - a green package with letter P on it) used in apple laptops.
when I was looking for a replacement, I thought of using a zero-ohm resistor. Just curious, how bad was such an idea...
It depends on your goal.

I once repaired several battery management modules for a friend. They were part of an expensive EV BMS, and only were produced for a few months before the small company moved onto a different, less-fragile design. Some of the SMD fuses were burnt, likely from attaching or disconnecting the sense wires to the cells in the wrong sequence. But even one of the fuses burning out rendered the entire multi-$K system unsuitable for use (risking ruining the $10K+ battery pack with no indication of the real problem). No replacements modules were available and no commercial shop would repair them.

In this case a SMD fuse was definitely a mixed blessing. They probably would have been better off with no fuse. Or at least no worse off, since some of the channels had intact fuses -- the most expensive part broke to save the fuse.

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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by kb1gtt » Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:41 am

Depends on the goal. If the goal is to light a cigarette it's probably ok. If the goal is to make the Apple product work you want the same fuse.
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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by Old Grey » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:40 am

I'm feeding the FK with 12V, and I'm getting 5V at the reg, but the other 5V points on the PCB are only getting 0.4V. Are there any links that have to be made to get the 5V to the internal PWR plane.


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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by kb1gtt » Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:20 am

Did you install W23?

W23 is used to verify the 5V is working properly before you connect the 5V stuff to it. AKA if you get a cold solder joint on one pad which needs allot of heat to make a good connection, you would get 12V on the 5V line. This W23 allows verification of the 5V before accidentally connecting an erroneous 12V to the 5V rail.
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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by Old Grey » Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:51 pm

You legend. :D

I thought it was something simple like a selectable jumper, but I couldn't see one in the pic. I could see a black thing between the holes, and was thinking it was a 0ohm resistor, but when I look at the KiCAD I get lost when it switches layers. I just don't use KC enough to be good at it because I don't make any circuits.

Hopefully that is the last hiccup, and I can finish this vid. :roll:

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Post by kb1gtt » Sun Dec 01, 2019 2:11 am

I think you've found all my Easter eggs :) However there is a good chance there are more out there.

Many of these things are to help the DIY crowd. Many of these Easter eggs can go away on PnP efforts. As well OEM's can control things in such a way that remove this kind of stuff. Thanks for the efforts on the video's, keep up the good work.
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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by Old Grey » Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:05 am

That last vid took a bit of time.

I don't know how well Frankenso kits sell, but after making one it seems a bit too much trouble. You're kind-of better off just paying the small amount extra for the pre-assembled FK, but what would be better is a PnP FK for the different car models. The problem is how do you make a PnP FK to cover all cars.

Do you cut a hole in the FK and make a castellated adaptor PCB with the ECU connector. It would cutout all those jumpers, but it would add $10 to each FK for the adaptor PCB.
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Post by kb1gtt » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:56 pm

China assembly is key. The connector cards is difficult with China assembly. I once dreamed we would make wire boards to simplify the different PNP setups with that connector. If you don't have the frankenso connector you probably do not have the same case in the same location. If you don't locate in the exact same spot you probably need an extension cable. So adapter board that is connected frankenso connector with pigtail. As well that connector is lower qty. So let the diy guy do that part. Then let China do the bulk assembly and keep that assembly the same.
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Re: Frankenso - ECU shield compatible with OEM case / official

Post by Kavabanga » Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:42 am

Hello, guys! Yesterday i tried to order Frankenso PCB ver 5.3.6 on JLCPCB and support e-mailed me about issues. That text:
"Hi Sir,
Well got your order with many thanks~
Sorry to bother you, but there are 2 issues that we want to confirm with you before proceeding.
1) the inner layer trace are too closed the edge, it will be cut by the board outline.
2) After compensate, the distance between plug holes and trace is only 0.09 mm, it is over our limit,
Could you please kindly check and fix it??
Since our system don't support change and re-upload file after submission, so we will cancel and refund for you to replace a new order with new file, ok??
Your early reply will be highly appreciated!
Thank you so much!"
And that photos (green)

Then i tryed to order version 5.3.1 and again support found issues:
"It seems there are a short circuit on the top circuit line layer , is it correct ?" and send me photos (blue)

Have somebody properly gerbers, which hasn`t got issues on JLCPCB?
Thanks
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